2022? If it’s going to take that long why bother announcing it now? I am sure that part of the reason for the long lead time is the next generation Suica card architecture (Super Suica) and FeliCa OS update coming in spring of 2021. All nine of the Suica sister transit IC cards under the Transit IC interoperability umbrella will need to switch over to the new transit card format to maintain compatibility: Suica, Toica, ICOCA, SUGOCA, Kitaca, PASMO, namaca, Hayaken, nimoca.
Right now Mobile Suica is the only transit card on mobile, and mobile offers service extras like downloadable Shinkansen eTickets. The next generation Super Suica format will likely extend mobile capability and mobile service extras to all nine cards. At the very least JR Central will have to retool the EX system for the new card architecture while maintaining compatibility with the current card architecture. It makes sense to upgrade the current EX system areas first and add Kyushu Shinkansen ticketing last.
Deposits Mobile Suica does not have deposits. Plastic Suica cards have a ¥500 deposit but is automatically returned to the stored value (SV) balance when transferred to Apple Pay or Google Pay. Octopus has a HK$50 deposit on both plastic and mobile versions. An interesting difference is that the Octopus deposit will be used temporarily if the SV balance is insufficient to pay transit fare at the exit gate.
Stored Value Balance Limits Suica has a SV balance limit of ¥20,000. Octopus Cards Limited (OCL) just raised the Octopus SV balance limit for cards issued after October 1, 2019 from HK$1,000 to HK$3,000. In JPY this is roughly double the current Suica limit, about ¥40,000 which puts it inline with other Japanese e-money card balance limits like WAON. Suica balance limits will likely be doubled when the next generation ‘Super Suica’ card architecture arrives in April 2021.
Number of Cards Smart Octopus is limited to a single card per Samsung Pay user account. Mobile Suica/Apple Pay Suica can have the multiple Suica cards up to the device Wallet limit.
Recharge Fees One of the many innovations that Apple Pay Suica brought was elimination of the annual Mobile Suica ¥1,050 ‘membership fee’, Google Pay got the same deal and Mobile Suica membership fees are disappearing altogether next year. Mobile Suica does not charge any upfront fee for recharges, but Smart Octopus does: 2.5% a pop for the luxury of recharging in Samsung Pay with Visa and Mastercard card brands although Union Pay cards are apparently free.
The differences in this last section are interesting. JR East charges nothing for recharging Mobile Suica, while OCL does for Smart Octopus. Mobile Suica has been around far longer and JR East has many more online services, such as EkiNet, to offset cloud expenses. Smart Octopus only started in December 2017 and the footprint of Samsung Pay devices compared with everything else is probably small and doesn’t drive enough transaction volume to offset Smart Octopus cloud startup costs. Apple Pay will growth the transaction size of Smart Octopus considerably, hopefully enough for OCL to reduce or eliminate the Add Value Service Fee at some point.
I look forward to digging through service details when Octopus finally launches on Apple Pay.
With the JAPAN CASHLESS Rebate program in full swing, many Apple Pay Suica users are suddenly paying attention and signing up to get those post-transaction rebate points. The sleepy JRE POINT site is suddenly a hot bed, and users are advised to steer clear of registering Suica cards during the peak evening hours of 22:00~24:00.
JRE POINT issued a notice today reminding users with plastic Suica cards registered with JRE POINT, that they need to re-register the Suica as Mobile Suica if they transfer it to Apple Pay.
JRE POINT allows multiple Suica cards to be registered, but only a single Mobile Suica card (green) can be registered at any one time, and one Mizuho Suica (blue). Once a Apple Pay Suica/Mobile Suica card is registered however, users don’t need to worry about the Suica ID number changing when migrating to a new device or moving Suica from iPhone to Apple Watch. The number usually doesn’t change but even if it does, the Mobile Suica/JRE POINT system takes care of it.
UPDATE: I forgot to mention that MIZUHO Suica does not count towards the Mobile Suica limit, you can have one Mobile Suica card (green) and one MIZUHO Suica card (blue) both in Wallet, both earning JRE POINT.
2% and 5% CASHLESS rebates are processed and paid out at the end of each month. So I was a little surprised last night when I opened JRE POINT app, checked the transaction list and found lots of extra points listed as ‘rebate campaign’.
It took me a moment to realize that these were not JAPAN CASHLESS store rebate points but JRE POINT campaign rebate points. JRE POINT is running several point campaigns, the 2% one runs until June 30, while the NewDays Self Checkout one runs until October 30. If you are registered with JRE POINT, use Apple Pay Suica to buy your daily commute drinks at NewDays self checkout this month and rack up the points: the regular 2% + the 3% self checkout. Every other point system is doing the same from PayPay to Rakuten so keep an eye out for all kinds of campaigns.
Suica App 2.5 dropped on 9/25 without a peep from JR East but this morning they released a notice urging Suica App users to update by 10/22. It’s not immediate clear what has changed, most likely it’s all backend stuff.